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| aftershock |
has anyone thrown in contributions to the EM:DEF? I did some research, and in about 20 states so far, in the US, raves are illegal. But the EM:DEF (for those of you who don't know) is a group, basically helping people keep raves going. People are getting shut down because of the "crack house law". You guys wouldn't believe all the drama that is going down with raves that some people aren't even aware of. Well, I don't know. I guess I sorta just wanna see what the rave communittee is doing. Like what action is being taken and what not. PLUR...
afterShocK
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| MC RizlaDizla |
how ***** up is it when old ****** who run the country dont like the new fings hapernign around them so they amke it illegal for no reason wotso ever
"Oh my goodness, Oh my Gosh. Here we go with a badboy rush."
"Oh my goodness gracious me, Badboy Dj, Wikkid Mc." |
| Brian K |
this has been going on for nearly 2 years, if not more. not really new =P
maybe making them illegal will make all the people going to them just for drugs leave, probably not =P
"As punishment for your desertion, it's company policy to give you the plague." |
| MC RizlaDizla |
i didnt mean it woz new to us, but the old grandads who run the country see all this stuff as new, and 2 years is very new to them.
they are very stupid
"Oh my goodness, Oh my Gosh. Here we go with a badboy rush."
"Oh my goodness gracious me, Badboy Dj, Wikkid Mc." |
| Brian K |
^^
nah mate, i was refering to aftershock
it's stuff like this that makes me hate this country =P
"As punishment for your desertion, it's company policy to give you the plague." |
| manic |
We have the same problem in Sydney in certain areas due to councils attitude towards raves. There are certain councils that will go after you if they catch you holding a party on their turf. So, unless you are one of the big production groups that hold raves at venues that cost an arm and a leg to rent, there is a good chance of the party getting shut down in certain areas.
I don't know about everyone else, but, i think there should be a set of rules and that these rules should be made in consultation with the rave industry. The only reason why the gov't don't give a shit, is that it is only a popular issue when somebody unfortunately dies at a party because that's when its gets media attention. Give it a few weeks , the issue goes away. There is just not enough votes in forming a set of rules and the universal aim of all gov'ts is to get back into power. We have guidelines here in Sydney, so the industry in in some sort of self regulation and they still permit raves to go on in certain areas like the Olympic site which would have one of the most modern surveillance systems! But I think if there was a set of rules, at least you know where you stand at it is better than having it banned alltogether.
" Hardcore is a feeling, not a fashion" DJ Scott Brown
I was sent to outer space to find another happy place. Now i'm left here all alone, a million miles away from home. |
| DJ Mouse |
there usually is a set of rules for raves etc but the problem is... no one ever follows them. one of the most popular ones in no illegal substances (drugs) which we all know is illegal,yet ppl still take them,and yet ppl get killed coz they took them.
if ppl learned to enjoy themselves at raves without taking any drugs then we'd have no problems.
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DJ Mouse - "Winning a war doesn't determine who's right.... winning determines who's left" |
| Annex |
granted, never thrown a party here, and dont' know too much about it
I'm canadian (manitoba)
anyway... i heard in Alberta they where banned...
and in places in the states as you mentioned.......
as was said, it's hard to just... have a set of rules, because it's not a standard thing lotsa differant people go about things in lots of differant ways..
at the vast majority of the parties i've been to there's been some kind of security... at larger ones it's usually hired security, who give you the pat down etc... lotta people are resentful, but honestly.. i have no problem with them, long as their not too touchy feely ;)
between that, and groove safe, i think the scene here has done fairly well...
what we NEED.. is to find a way to get posative media coverage of raves
get a paper, or a station mentioning the massive party going down wherever, and what a success it was, and talk about the dj's they fly in as headliners etc
give the big ones more posative media... then the lil ones can get by easier... maybe? lol
i dunno!
Potatoe |
| DJ Mouse |
^^ now why didn't i think of that? probably coz it's 3am here LOL
but seriously,that's a wicked idea
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DJ Mouse - "Winning a war doesn't determine who's right.... winning determines who's left" |
| Brian K |
actually last time i was in arizona they actually had positive media coverage of a party that was going to be going on out there. it was an all d&b event but most of the kids on there came off sounding like intelligent human beings rather than mind-numbed e-tards....
"As punishment for your desertion, it's company policy to give you the plague." |
| Annex |
i just think we need more of that *shrugs*
Potatoe |
| MC RizlaDizla |
quote:
Originally posted by DJ Mouse:
there usually is a set of rules for raves etc but the problem is... no one ever follows them. one of the most popular ones in no illegal substances (drugs) which we all know is illegal,yet ppl still take them,and yet ppl get killed coz they took them.
if ppl learned to enjoy themselves at raves without taking any drugs then we'd have no problems.
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DJ Mouse - "Winning a war doesn't determine who's right.... winning determines who's left"
last year 2 ppl died in our country at a rave. that woz at the same rave, and woz to do with the ridicolous heat not drugs. now tell m,e how many ppl died from alchole last year and tell me wotn the real problem is.
remember the drugs have always been a big part of "rave" and hardcore.
sorry m8, but that statment has really mad me laugh.
"Oh my goodness, Oh my Gosh. Here we go with a badboy rush."
"Oh my goodness gracious me, Badboy Dj, Wikkid Mc." |
| DJ Pathfinder |
i agree with mouse
people must try to make fun without the drugs and go more for the music.
and if you want drugs keep it only on an smoke and not the harddrugs.
harddrugs is bad for brain an damage brian and memory on long term.
You can't see me,because i am the future. |
| M.C Menace |
Drugs are okey but i prefer to go on my own adrenilin. When i hear that music I'm on my own drug and i'm sure alot of ppl feel the same. Forget drugs just use the music.
But drinking is fine. Drink as much as you wan't. lol
M.C Menace - were raving from 7 till 11 were ravin in a hardcore heaven |
| MC RizlaDizla |
rite firstly i dont consider skunk/weed as drug. hehe
sometimes i take drugs(pills) to raves and sometimes i dont. sometimes i will get really drunk and sometimes i wont.
but to say that it should be stopped, i just dont agree with. end of the day leave it up to the indivdual init.
rite tho
its all about the music tho
"Oh my goodness, Oh my Gosh. Here we go with a badboy rush."
"Oh my goodness gracious me, Badboy Dj, Wikkid Mc." |
| DJ Mouse |
i don't see weed as a drug either,but that's not gonna get you raving like speed or e would do
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DJ Mouse - "Winning a war doesn't determine who's right.... winning determines who's left" |
| manic |
Parties don't get positive media coverage here. You see we really have only two people that who own the media in this country and I think in their view there would be nothing positive about the scene. But positive coverage would be beneficial.
As for the drugs, well, I think that a choice let down to the individual. I think in the State Gov'ts guidelines there is something to do with drugs and there is security at every party, but, really there main purpose is to not let any weapons in. But, they have also searched for drugs before. There have been police searching people at raves before they enter. It's true people can go to raves and enjoyh themselves without taking drugs, but, the majority I know don't.
" Hardcore is a feeling, not a fashion" DJ Scott Brown
I was sent to outer space to find another happy place. Now i'm left here all alone, a million miles away from home. |
| Annex |
all i know is the guy i know who brings anything to a party, tapes em to his unmentionable area....
seen parties where they took my friends freaking gum away from him...
maybe that's just here (and not all the time!!)
Potatoe |
| silver |
I went into a party in Australia one time, I had some Japanese anti-acid's tablets in my bag that I totally forgot about, there was a police search at the door, they poored the tablets all over the table and crushed everyone, felt them and sniffed them then said well they are not drugs but you can't have them back.... yeah, like I wanted them back now...
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you, me and hardcore forever. |
| manic |
I have ever been search by police at a party. Silver give us the details of where it was. If it was a Sydney party it probably in the last two or three years. I have seen cops search people at the door, but, I didn't have a ticket that night and did not go in. I have also heard that cops were using dogs at parties as well.
" Hardcore is a feeling, not a fashion" DJ Scott Brown
I was sent to outer space to find another happy place. Now i'm left here all alone, a million miles away from home. |
| Midway_raver |
i think if we take away drugs totally i.e search evry1 on the dorr ( or summat ridiculous liek that) then we'd kill our own scene from the inside......Im glad teh government introduced that tap water must be available on site, even tho it helped teh organisatiosn make mor emoney on water it was v.dangerous in my opinion....also that raves/clubs must av a chill out room.......The government may get alot of stik but ( even if they are A$$holes) they have done a few good thingz for teh scene and teh ravers.....( yes believe it or not they did)
Like a bolt of lightning it's so frightning..Get ur brain now we're igniting |
| DJ Pathfinder |
england is very drugs minded maybe thats the reason the atmos is so good there 
You can't see me,because i am the future. |
| DJ Bunnyboi |
The crackdown on raves in the US has been going on for years. If you were to ask people in Detroit about a rave, many would tell you they haven't exsisted for years, most would say since 96. I really dont know if thats true, but I think the authorities have done a really good job messing up the rave scene in the United States, if they havent ended them completely, they truely have damaged them. The whole EM:DEF or whatever seems like it could be a good idea, but the American Governments "War on Drugs" and now terrorism, is going to make it really hard to throw a sucessful underground party. I say hit up a nice legal venue, and get a liquor licence. The underground (at least where im from) is dead. I truely believe we should let it die. Maybe someday there will be the opertunity to throw underground events again.
::HOME IS WHERE THE HEART IS:: |
| Annex |
honestly, granted they may be going on without my knowledge....
but i don't even think my city (winnipeg, manitoba, canada) could even facilitate a good underground party... anywhere that might be an option i think would end up busted somehow... *shruggies*
Potatoe |
| skies2049 |
we should start "safe" raves (no drugs) and then there will be no problems
just dance........ |
| Don Giovanni |
quote:
Originally posted by skies2049:
we should start "safe" raves (no drugs) and then there will be no problems
Well, we already do. I'm pretty sure that none of the promotion companies down where u live encourage people to bring drugs into parties. You probably get a pad down and they look through your bag for drugs when u go to a party right? Thus they are saying no drugs allowed in parties. Of course they can’t strip search people (that would be ludicrous) so drugs do get in.
Point being, we are trying to have as safe parties as we can in most places, but if people want to do drugs you can't really stop them.
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| Agent_Double_EE |
In my city we have lost our scene because of bylaws enforced on having a permit and cops and paramedics at our parties to boot with sound/air qualitie officails. There are standards that are enforced (ie free water). I understand these but when they "revamped" it they made the permit unattainable (2000.00 and higher depending on the promoter) and the cost to start a party rediculous. They also passed only 2 venues that hold up to 10 000 people the only two locations deemed safe to have a party. This makes it impossible to have a party less then 3000 people. Our scene has thrived on parties maxed out at 3000 not minimum so all the promoters are throwing in the towel. They say its to make raves "safe" for the people attending them but they have a back issue of drugs and gangs (we haven't yet had a problem with gangs or violence at a party)
My opinion is that if they are truely worried about the drugs then by making the promoters and "ravers" go underground even more there are no regulations on security and safety. Anyone can get in with anything (drugs/guns/knives) and there is no paramedics if something happens. I feel alot better when I'm searched & patted down and see police as security. I don't have to worry about dumb sh*t happening and can enjoy the vibe.
We also have at the big parties a no gum rule. but this is because a promoter had to pay over 2000.00 in damages because of the sticky stuff. he now puts down a larger taped together linolium down befor the parties.
As for parties without drugs...we have parties put on by ravesafe. They allow you to party with knowledge they neither promote or discourgage drug use but provide you with inforamtion about both. Allowing it to be an informed individual choice made by each participant.
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