LeVzi Advanced Member
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Posted - 2021/10/04 : 05:59:01
quote:Originally posted by Si Thompson:
quote:Originally posted by LeVzi:
You forgot the Lacy fight too, Joe's resume is pretty much what was put in front of him.
I wish the Roy Jones fight had happened, and Joe was capable of winning it too, that will forever plague him.
I wanna meet Joe, seems a top bloke. Collins dodged him for sure.
Lacy was a hype job. Calzaghe wouldn't beat a prime Roy Jones. He was good, but prime Jones was special.
It would have been a good fight, and with Calzaghe's heart, and speed, it would have not been a walk in the park , like everyone seems to think.
But Lacys reputation wasn't hype, thats BS. He had a decent Amateur career and was moving through people quickly as a pro. He had a big punch too. He was expected to walk through Joe. He got schooled by a superior boxer.
Si Thompson Advanced Member
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Posted - 2021/10/04 : 14:48:25
quote:Originally posted by LeVzi:
quote:Originally posted by Si Thompson:
quote:Originally posted by LeVzi:
You forgot the Lacy fight too, Joe's resume is pretty much what was put in front of him.
I wish the Roy Jones fight had happened, and Joe was capable of winning it too, that will forever plague him.
I wanna meet Joe, seems a top bloke. Collins dodged him for sure.
Lacy was a hype job. Calzaghe wouldn't beat a prime Roy Jones. He was good, but prime Jones was special.
It would have been a good fight, and with Calzaghe's heart, and speed, it would have not been a walk in the park , like everyone seems to think.
But Lacys reputation wasn't hype, thats BS. He had a decent Amateur career and was moving through people quickly as a pro. He had a big punch too. He was expected to walk through Joe. He got schooled by a superior boxer.
It's not BS at all. If you look at the opponents Lacy had fought up to Joe Calzaghe. His best wins were against Syd Vanderpool, who was a C+ fighter at best, and a passed prime Robin Reid. He hadn't beaten any top guys. So whoever expected him to walk through Calzaghe purely based this off hype.
As for the amateurs. I don't recall Lacy beating anyone of note, and as we all know, the transition from amateur to pro doesn't always go well. Example: Audley Harrison, and Harrison was a gold medallist.
LeVzi Advanced Member
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Posted - 2021/10/07 : 06:32:44
Well Lacy turned out to be nothing special, but then when you watch the fight, I don't care what boxer it was, Joe totally was on another level and that level would have given anyone a fight.
But its all in the past now.
Looking at the press conference last night, Fury his normal self Wilder quiet reserved, but tbh I dont wanna call this fight, i've been saying Fury obviously after the last one, but puncher always got a chance.
Si Thompson Advanced Member
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Posted - 2021/10/07 : 12:52:38
quote:Originally posted by LeVzi:
Well Lacy turned out to be nothing special, but then when you watch the fight, I don't care what boxer it was, Joe totally was on another level and that level would have given anyone a fight.
But its all in the past now.
Looking at the press conference last night, Fury his normal self Wilder quiet reserved, but tbh I dont wanna call this fight, i've been saying Fury obviously after the last one, but puncher always got a chance.
I just hope I can find a stable stream lol
That's how I see it. Wilder is still so dangerous with that right hand. If he loses in similar fashion to the last fight, I'm not sure where he goes. I am actually really looking forward to this.
Undercard is decent too. Much better than the AJ-Usyk one, which was poor. Efe Ajagba vs Frank Sanchez is an interesting one. Both undefeated and both can dig.
Si Thompson Advanced Member
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Posted - 2021/10/08 : 09:16:42
quote:Originally posted by LeVzi:
I am looking forward to it too, we will see if Fury's boxing brain is as good as thought to be.
Because he wont be able to bully Wilder again like he did.
I'll be lucky to find a stream tbh so I wont see the undercard.
Fury can bully him again with effective aggression, but there's a few things to consider. How is Wilder mentally after the last fight?, what weight he comes in at (as for a big guy he mostly comes in light), and has he made any improvements/adjustments under Malik Scott. If any of those are a miss, and Fury is on form, Wilder gets stopped again. Maybe even sooner.
Even though Fury has dominated both fights, It is still a fight that could go either way. That's the beauty of this matchup. I'm not even going to make a prediction, and just enjoy it.
If you need to grab any fights the next day, then 'All the best fights' is the place to go. Both Boxing and Mma.
The drunken scotsman Advanced Member
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Posted - 2021/10/09 : 13:07:46
Not been paying much attention to this one tbh. Was done and dusted after the second fight. Definitely wont be staying up or setting an alarm to watch it live.
LeVzi Advanced Member
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Posted - 2021/10/10 : 09:31:35
What a fking fight. Best boxing match i've seen in a long time.
Had everything, controvasy , drama, and pure heart.
When Wilder went down first I thought that was it. But then he drops Fury twice in the next round.
Then I thought that was it, but next round again, he eyes were clear, that man has some unreal recovery
Then he just ground down Wilder and dropped him again.
I hope thats the end of this rivalry, Wilder is a classless bum tbh.
I think they said Whyte is next for Fury, which is shit but WBC are demanding it, I want to see Usyk v Fury now, and I actually don't have a clue how to call that. I think Fury is just too big but Usyk is a boxer and a half two, but we'll have to wait for that. He got the AJ clause next. If AJ wins, has to be the following fight, AJ vs Fury.
Anyway, I am still buzzing after that fight, was awesome.
Si Thompson Advanced Member
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Posted - 2021/10/10 : 10:07:53
quote:Originally posted by LeVzi:
What a fking fight. Best boxing match i've seen in a long time.
Had everything, controvasy , drama, and pure heart.
When Wilder went down first I thought that was it. But then he drops Fury twice in the next round.
Then I thought that was it, but next round again, he eyes were clear, that man has some unreal recovery
Then he just ground down Wilder and dropped him again.
I hope thats the end of this rivalry, Wilder is a classless bum tbh.
I think they said Whyte is next for Fury, which is shit but WBC are demanding it, I want to see Usyk v Fury now, and I actually don't have a clue how to call that. I think Fury is just too big but Usyk is a boxer and a half two, but we'll have to wait for that. He got the AJ clause next. If AJ wins, has to be the following fight, AJ vs Fury.
Anyway, I am still buzzing after that fight, was awesome.
Unbelievable fight. Up there with some of the best Heavyweight fights of all time.
Wilder was classless with his comments at the end and has really shown what type of person he is. However, he showed heart. If Fury didn't smoother his work so much and took a step back, he would've been able to get more shots off following the right hand. He could've got him out of there sooner.
LeVzi Advanced Member
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Posted - 2021/10/11 : 07:47:23
quote:Originally posted by Si Thompson:
quote:Originally posted by LeVzi:
What a fking fight. Best boxing match i've seen in a long time.
Had everything, controvasy , drama, and pure heart.
When Wilder went down first I thought that was it. But then he drops Fury twice in the next round.
Then I thought that was it, but next round again, he eyes were clear, that man has some unreal recovery
Then he just ground down Wilder and dropped him again.
I hope thats the end of this rivalry, Wilder is a classless bum tbh.
I think they said Whyte is next for Fury, which is shit but WBC are demanding it, I want to see Usyk v Fury now, and I actually don't have a clue how to call that. I think Fury is just too big but Usyk is a boxer and a half two, but we'll have to wait for that. He got the AJ clause next. If AJ wins, has to be the following fight, AJ vs Fury.
Anyway, I am still buzzing after that fight, was awesome.
Unbelievable fight. Up there with some of the best Heavyweight fights of all time.
Wilder was classless with his comments at the end and has really shown what type of person he is. However, he showed heart. If Fury didn't smoother his work so much and took a step back, he would've been able to get more shots off following the right hand. He could've got him out of there sooner.
Totally classless, was disgusting to see.
I question now how effective that right hand is, because twice he dropped Fury and Fury got up.
Si Thompson Advanced Member
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Posted - 2021/10/11 : 09:30:08
quote:Originally posted by LeVzi:
quote:Originally posted by Si Thompson:
quote:Originally posted by LeVzi:
What a fking fight. Best boxing match i've seen in a long time.
Had everything, controvasy , drama, and pure heart.
When Wilder went down first I thought that was it. But then he drops Fury twice in the next round.
Then I thought that was it, but next round again, he eyes were clear, that man has some unreal recovery
Then he just ground down Wilder and dropped him again.
I hope thats the end of this rivalry, Wilder is a classless bum tbh.
I think they said Whyte is next for Fury, which is shit but WBC are demanding it, I want to see Usyk v Fury now, and I actually don't have a clue how to call that. I think Fury is just too big but Usyk is a boxer and a half two, but we'll have to wait for that. He got the AJ clause next. If AJ wins, has to be the following fight, AJ vs Fury.
Anyway, I am still buzzing after that fight, was awesome.
Unbelievable fight. Up there with some of the best Heavyweight fights of all time.
Wilder was classless with his comments at the end and has really shown what type of person he is. However, he showed heart. If Fury didn't smoother his work so much and took a step back, he would've been able to get more shots off following the right hand. He could've got him out of there sooner.
Totally classless, was disgusting to see.
I question now how effective that right hand is, because twice he dropped Fury and Fury got up.
Did he break his hand ?
Oh, the right hand is legit. If you notice, the first one that dropped Fury with the delayed reaction was right on the forehead, the hardest part of the head, and it still scrambled him. Fury has a good chin and recovery powers. Fury is also good at taking the sting off shots with his upper body & head movement, although, he was much more stationary this fight. He also does the right thing when he goes down, he takes his time and uses the whole count, which is what you should do. I've seen so many fighters jump straight back up and their legs are gone. Zab Judah against Kosta Tszyu springs to mind..
I saw that with the right hand, Andre Ward on commentary said it's a habit, he does it in most fights. Leo Santa Cruz has a similar tick, he shakes the right hand after throwing it. The problem with Wilder, was either loading up too much, or telegraphing the right hand. He started off strong with the jab to the body in round 1. He then deployed it from round 2 and started to look tired.
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