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silver
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 Posted - 2005/01/02 : 07:33:41
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DarrenJ
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Posted - 2005/01/02 : 09:59:22
I think its excellent for hardcore in Australia, with central station now got the rights to bonkers in Australia and yet another ultimate cd pack.
Downunderground fixing up there finance problems and paying artists....
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Triquatra
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Posted - 2005/01/02 : 10:07:44
i voted "ok i guess" because i see two sides to it
ultimatly it leads to hardcore getting more exposure...
on one side, artists will get the recognition they deserve, they would hopefully get more money, especially if more stores sold hardcore, in the end, the hardcore cd gets bought, and the money goes to where it should, back to the artist - even if the store doesnt have "hardcore cd store" written on the front
on the other hand, personally i dont want a load of kiddy giggley teeny boppers shouting "  weeeeeee im so hardcore, drugs  , candy weeeeee  , and filling hardcore forums with useless shit like "WOT R UR FAVIST BISKIT" ;)
if we could pull it off without pulling in too much cheese, i think it would be "ok"
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Dave Murray
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Posted - 2005/01/02 : 12:25:56
quote:
Originally posted by DjTriquatra:
on the other hand, personally i dont want a load of kiddy giggley teeny boppers shouting " weeeeeee im so hardcore, drugs , candy weeeeee , and filling hardcore forums with useless shit like "WOT R UR FAVIST BISKIT" ;)
if we could pull it off without pulling in too much cheese, i think it would be "ok"
Yes i agree 142.56% , tbh i reckon cheese would go through the roof, which errr sucks cause well cheese sucks.
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whispering
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Posted - 2005/01/02 : 12:42:52
quote:
Originally posted by DjTriquatra:
if we could pull it off without pulling in too much cheese, i think it would be "ok"
But then again, the cheese people could be better then these cynical purists who think music isnt supposed to be fun 
I voted "ok, i guess".
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djDMS
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Posted - 2005/01/02 : 12:54:56
quote:
Originally posted by DjTriquatra:
on the other hand, personally i dont want a load of kiddy giggley teeny boppers shouting " weeeeeee im so hardcore, drugs , candy weeeeee , and filling hardcore forums with useless shit like "WOT R UR FAVIST BISKIT" ;)
I think there's already plenty of that around already!
This could end up being another one of those long-running arguments that ultimately never has a winner but i'll have a look at both points of view (seeing as i have time on my hands and am in an argumentative mood!)
1. The 'It'll give Hardcore more exposure' side of things.
Well. Basically, it will and it won't!
Bigger labels featuring Hardcore tunes/mixes will mean that more people who don't normally listen will be exposed to hardcore but that doesn't necessarily mean that thousands of people will suddenly become hardcore lovers.
I haven't noticed a massive influx of new members here who only got into Hardcore because 'You're shining' and 'Discoland' got into the UK top 40 with Hardcore mixes included.
All big labels, without exception, are in it for the money and i don't imagine including the odd hardcore track is going to bring them THAT many new sales but at the same time, hardcore is getting big again so you can't fault them for dipping their toes in the water to see how it goes can you?
2. The 'yeah but, no but, yeah but, loads of kids will be running round the streets screaming "top one, nice one get sorted"' argument.
Don't really care personally. If these younger types get into the scene, it won't make the slightest bit of difference to most aspects of the scene. They'll be too young for the events and if they only go for the cheesy stuff it won't affect the small/more diverse hardcore labels who have a different target audience anyway.
And besides, there are loads of young kids here on the site who have just as much passion for the scene as people twice their age (like me). Even if we do go through a stage where it's cool to like Hardcore, it'll soon die down and we'll be back to where we are now with a healthy mixture of good and bad. 2005 is potentially going to be either the best or worst year for hardcore so far, we shall see.....
Oh, and i didn't vote by the way!
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djmyers
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Posted - 2005/01/02 : 13:45:05
I honestly believe that it wouldnt make a difference in the slightest. Its one of those questions that will always have a split in the opinions. I say let people release hardcore if its for the right reasons otherwise forget it. But the main thing to remember here is that Hardcore is getting bigger n bigger and that is whats important.
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silver
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Posted - 2005/01/02 : 14:24:49
I guess I picked a good featured poll topic :)
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Samination
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Posted - 2005/01/02 : 17:21:30
I'm with most ppl in here, but i voted the 2nd worst option.
Big names can make producers become greedier than they are, and even tho it might not become that way, imo it will kill hardcore again, or make it more commercialized
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TypeR
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Posted - 2005/01/02 : 21:28:26
i voted that it would be good for hardcore. but personally I'm kinda ashamed of many of the dj's on here with some of the comments about the prospective people that may just go nuts to their sets. These "newbies" could just be your biggest fans. who really cares if they are new or hardcore veterans, the music should be fun for everyone not just for yourselves. thats just my two cents, but what do I know, i'm just me.
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B.C
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Posted - 2005/01/03 : 14:06:45
any kind of new exposure is good for hardcore, it means more releases, more listeners and more events.
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mark-ireland
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Posted - 2005/01/03 : 15:14:16
Okay i guess. Wouldnt like hardcore to become really mainstream think it would take the unique sound away from it.
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DarrenJ
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Posted - 2005/01/03 : 16:28:51
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Originally posted by mark-ireland:
Okay i guess. Wouldnt like hardcore to become really mainstream think it would take the unique sound away from it.
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I dont think it would
Unlike Freeform which is shifting towards mainstream, where all the freeform dj's are supporting the shift to the club style of finland.....loosing the dirty rawness which I was really enjoying from labels such as Camel
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Posted - 2005/01/05 : 11:36:43
Bad for hardcore, good for the DJ's.
Unless they dont give a shit about cash
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Posted - 2005/01/23 : 21:30:50
Has to be good if it means it's more harcore nights instead of scouring the internet for one close enough.
Maybe Breeze and Styles could have released the real heartbeatz instead of the rather plodding and cheesy one going on release. Not that they shouldn't do it - good luck to them, (I may even buy it out of loyalty!) I just can't quite understand how anyone could possilbly prefer it to Scott Brown's remix!
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Posted - 2005/01/28 : 12:19:23
As an avid extreme metal fan (aswell as a hardcore LOVER), I have had similar concerns before, and I think that it won't make a difference:
Back in the day you'd have to watch your sources closely to find out when a cool e.g. death metal band were coming to the UK, releasing a new album or whatever. There was a real intimacy in the scene and people felt like they were part of the best kept secret in music (same as with Hardcore).
When the 'Nu metal revolution' happened and Korn, Limp Bizkit et al were getting heeowge suddenly MTV knew what metal was and people were saying "Woooo!" at metal gigs instead of "WOOOOAAAAAARRRRRRRRRGGGHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!". As major labels picked up long-ignored groups in an effort to get on the band-wagon, every letter page of metal magazines was filled with people fretting that you'd eventually see Morbid Angel or Cryptopsy on "Cribs". The extreme scene has not compromised since that time and continues to go from strength to strength; I can't put my finger on it, but I think that Hardcore music and the Hardcore scene have some similar innate quality which cannot be threatened by corporate attention. I can't see a think-tank down at Sony having a brainstorm to try and 'sex-up' Hardcore so it becomes compatible with poser-dance culture.
There's something 'bout our scene and people just don't get it
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