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Revs
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 Posted - 2009/03/23 : 20:12:18
Wow come down dude ! I never said you were wrong ! I said I guess both are called Hardcore Breaks.
I didn't really mean "4-beat" I just wanted to say that in tracks like 4 o'clock you don't need to match the hi-hats or snares ( like in Drum & Bass ) but that there's actually like a 'beat' which is a snare or something, there where the beat would be in UKH/HHC. Cause in "your" Hardcore Breaks the snare you have to match is like ... offset. That's not the case in 4 o'clock and all those tracks. I don't know if you understand what I mean... Ah well forget it ^^
I can't imagine this what Reese makes is Breakbeat Hardcore. That's not logical : Breakbeat Hardcore is the old stuff from the 90s, Hardcore Breaks is new Breakbeat Hardcore made with new technologies, and then there's Breakbeat Hardcore which is new Breakbeat Hardcore or what ? What the ****.
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dj.sensi
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Posted - 2009/03/24 : 00:52:08
Yes the correct sub category is.. Hardcore Breaks
To be honest, I hate sub category's, I mean if you really want to get technical you could argue that that last few tracks on the set are more jungle tekno than hardcore, so should that be called jungle tekno breaks, NO!!!!!!!! I hated that sub category split the first time round so lets not let it happen again.
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Fishy
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Posted - 2009/03/24 : 00:54:23
Great mix!
And stop fighting about genre names, its stupid, the music is what it is
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Revs
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Posted - 2009/03/24 : 16:32:23
Yea but I wanna know what it's called, cause if I'm wrong, everything in my head will be a mess and I will have to rename all the genres of all my Hardcore Breaks tracks in my iTunes playlists + all the playlists ! OMG ! I'm going to create a topic about that.
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Audio X
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Posted - 2009/03/25 : 13:36:43
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Originally posted by DJ Revs:
Yea but I wanna know what it's called, cause if I'm wrong, everything in my head will be a mess and I will have to rename all the genres of all my Hardcore Breaks tracks in my iTunes playlists + all the playlists ! OMG ! I'm going to create a topic about that.
We've already told you what it's called. What more do you need?
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Triquatra
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Posted - 2009/03/25 : 15:12:09
downloading now!...so i can get involved hehe
but audiox is right :P
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Craigavon raver
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Posted - 2009/03/25 : 19:09:38
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Originally posted by Audio Warfare:
Hardcore Breaks is basically new oldskool Hardcore.
Breakbeat Hardcore is the faster stuff around 180 odd bpm.
It's not open to debate. ;)
why is it just not called the same but some djs make/mix there breaks faster
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Audio Warfare
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Posted - 2009/03/25 : 19:18:32
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Originally posted by Craigavon raver:
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Originally posted by Audio Warfare:
Hardcore Breaks is basically new oldskool Hardcore.
Breakbeat Hardcore is the faster stuff around 180 odd bpm.
It's not open to debate. ;)
why is it just not called the same but some djs make/mix there breaks faster
Because it's not the same thing and wouldn't be even if the speed was the same anyway.
Hardcore Breaks - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhQPLgW5Tkw
Breakbeat Hardcore - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vStYJ_M53c8
Hopefully that makes it a bit clearer.
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Revs
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Posted - 2009/03/25 : 19:27:30
Yeah I already knew the difference. Well I definitely prefer Breakbeat Hardcore :)
Still don't get it why it's called Breakbeat Hardcore, Hardcore Breaks are much closer to Breakbeat Hardcore than new Breakbeat Hardcore... okay whatever.
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dj.sensi
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Posted - 2009/03/26 : 15:07:24
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Originally posted by DJ Revs:
Still don't get it why it's called Breakbeat Hardcore, Hardcore Breaks are much closer to Breakbeat Hardcore than new Breakbeat Hardcore... okay whatever.
OK I kinda see where your logic is coming from, but old breakbeat hardcore (old skool hardcore 1990-1994) was never originally called breakbeat hardcore, back then it was just called hardcore the only reason people refer to old skool hardcore as breakbeat hardcore is so that people know there not talking about old skool 4 beat hardcore 1995 onwards. http://www.divshare.com/download/6907373-8d3
Around 1999/2000 with the big old skool revival that was about at the time people started making new skool breaks/rave breaks.
Hardcore breaks came from this but took more of a old skool hardcore (breakbeat style hardcore) influence, at the time it was called hardcore breaks.
Breakbeat hardcore (the new style) came about after hardcore breaks.
So it would have been silly at the time to change the name's around just to suite your itunes playlist. 
I hope this has cleared it up for you 
Ok before anyone starts, Im fully aware that there were bearbeat style hardcore tunes still being made in 95, and that there were 4 beat style hardcore tunes long before this time, I am also aware of the breakbeat style hardcore in 97/98 on just another label/quosh/ect.
I was just rounding things up
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Triquatra
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Posted - 2009/03/26 : 15:18:12
on a base level the mixup and confusion seems to stems from
what it was called, and what it is now refered to as.
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Fishy
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 Posted - 2009/03/26 : 15:25:28
quote:
Originally posted by Audio Warfare:
quote:
Originally posted by Craigavon raver:
quote:
Originally posted by Audio Warfare:
Hardcore Breaks is basically new oldskool Hardcore.
Breakbeat Hardcore is the faster stuff around 180 odd bpm.
It's not open to debate. ;)
why is it just not called the same but some djs make/mix there breaks faster
Because it's not the same thing and wouldn't be even if the speed was the same anyway.
Hardcore Breaks - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhQPLgW5Tkw
Breakbeat Hardcore - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vStYJ_M53c8
Hopefully that makes it a bit clearer.
ah two of my favorite genres
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Revs
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Posted - 2009/03/26 : 18:31:44
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Originally posted by dj.sensi:
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Originally posted by DJ Revs:
Still don't get it why it's called Breakbeat Hardcore, Hardcore Breaks are much closer to Breakbeat Hardcore than new Breakbeat Hardcore... okay whatever.
OK I kinda see where your logic is coming from, but old breakbeat hardcore (old skool hardcore 1990-1994) was never originally called breakbeat hardcore, back then it was just called hardcore the only reason people refer to old skool hardcore as breakbeat hardcore is so that people know there not talking about old skool 4 beat hardcore 1995 onwards. http://www.divshare.com/download/6907373-8d3
Around 1999/2000 with the big old skool revival that was about at the time people started making new skool breaks/rave breaks.
Hardcore breaks came from this but took more of a old skool hardcore (breakbeat style hardcore) influence, at the time it was called hardcore breaks.
Breakbeat hardcore (the new style) came about after hardcore breaks.
So it would have been silly at the time to change the name's around just to suite your itunes playlist.
I hope this has cleared it up for you
Ok before anyone starts, Im fully aware that there were bearbeat style hardcore tunes still being made in 95, and that there were 4 beat style hardcore tunes long before this time, I am also aware of the breakbeat style hardcore in 97/98 on just another label/quosh/ect.
I was just rounding things up
Oh I get it now ^^
I didn't know it wasn't called Breakbeat Hardcore at the time :)
Well thanks ;)
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