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Audio Warfare
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 Posted - 2011/05/06 : 13:25:49
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Originally posted by acidfluxxbass:
:( poor thing
Is that Fluxx Studios? Think it's time you got a new machine as well mate. ;)
Sami - I definitely don't want to drop the RAM but does the SS drive make much difference to overall performance having the OS on there? I could stretch to a little one if it's going to make a worthwhile difference. The cooling is for games and a heavy load on Music production. It is easy enough to have the processor running as hard as it can on Cubase/FL at times so seemed a good idea to me. My studio can get quite hot too as it's well insulated and the windows and doors are sealed off to stop sound leaking.
Whispering - Get with the times man. XP... pfffft. ;) A decent silent case would definitely be nice but I worry about the ventilation on them things. Perhaps the more expensive ones have it sussed but there is no way I'm spending that sort of cash on a case haha.
Phobz - No chance of me getting a mac any time soon. ;)
Andy - What Core2Duo is that? I've got an E6850 and it has done me well tbh. I never bounce anything down or crap like that either. However if I tried to make a tune on my laptop which has a slower Core2Duo it would deffo be a task haha. I'm just getting the the edge of my desktops limit by the time i finish a track now though and I seem to be getting more and more resource hungry gear. :P
I've got 4GB of RAM on my current machine and a 64bit OS but I find I max it out in Cubase when I get well into a track. Has caused it to get a bit unstable a few times. I figure it's better to just go straight to 8 really. No doubt I'll be making use of all of it before long. May be a while before I need to join your mate in getting a 128GB machine though lol.
Yep, some of the livestock will have to go. :'(
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Posted - 2011/05/06 : 13:38:54
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Originally posted by Audio Warfare:
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Originally posted by acidfluxxbass:
:( poor thing
Is that Fluxx Studios? Think it's time you got a new machine as well mate. ;)
Sami - I definitely don't want to drop the RAM but does the SS drive make much difference to overall performance having the OS on there? I could stretch to a little one if it's going to make a worthwhile difference. The cooling is for games and a heavy load on Music production. It is easy enough to have the processor running as hard as it can on Cubase/FL at times so seemed a good idea to me. My studio can get quite hot too as it's well insulated and the windows and doors are sealed off to stop sound leaking.
Whispering - Get with the times man. XP... pfffft. ;) A decent silent case would definitely be nice but I worry about the ventilation on them things. Perhaps the more expensive ones have it sussed but there is no way I'm spending that sort of cash on a case haha.
Phobz - No chance of me getting a mac any time soon. ;)
Andy - What Core2Duo is that? I've got an E6850 and it has done me well tbh. I never bounce anything down or crap like that either. However if I tried to make a tune on my laptop which has a slower Core2Duo it would deffo be a task haha. I'm just getting the the edge of my desktops limit by the time i finish a track now though and I seem to be getting more and more resource hungry gear. :P
I've got 4GB of RAM on my current machine and a 64bit OS but I find I max it out in Cubase when I get well into a track. Has caused it to get a bit unstable a few times. I figure it's better to just go straight to 8 really. No doubt I'll be making use of all of it before long. May be a while before I need to join your mate in getting a 128GB machine though lol.
Yep, some of the livestock will have to go. :'(
he has 48 gb of ram.
http://www.boxxtech.com/Downloads/Products/w8500/W8550_SpecSheet.pdf
That is WAY overkill for audio rendering, though. The boxx systems are purely for 3d and video rendering. 6 gig would do you fine, you probably wont use 8 but there's no harm.
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whispering
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Posted - 2011/05/06 : 14:36:57
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Whispering - Get with the times man. XP... pfffft. ;)
So far I've seen that 7 has better themes, and the photo viewer is better. Other then that i haven't seen any improvement that i would benefit from. Its a real resource hog also, so i would have to pay for the OS and for a higher end computer. Its also highly annoying how they've misplaced a lot of the stuff. And some custom things needed to be researched first (like how to add custom sized papers to the printers paper list etc). I've figured that when i upgrade it would be either for the "home theater" features, i run out of memory or the handling of SSD drives. But i'm in no rush.
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Audio Warfare
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Posted - 2011/05/06 : 16:36:06
DX11? Plus a lot of new stuff just doesn't have XP drivers now. Guess that isn't an issue if you aren't buying much new stuff though. :P The all new IE! Not that you would want to use it anyway I suspect lol.
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he has 48 gb of ram.
http://www.boxxtech.com/Downloads/Products/w8500/W8550_SpecSheet.pdf
That is WAY overkill for audio rendering, though. The boxx systems are purely for 3d and video rendering. 6 gig would do you fine, you probably wont use 8 but there's no harm.
Savage. :P I'm glad i don't need a machine like that, **** paying that sort of cash haha.
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Samination
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Posted - 2011/05/06 : 16:45:56
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Originally posted by Audio Warfare:
Whispering - Get with the times man. XP... pfffft. ;)
So far I've seen that 7 has better themes, and the photo viewer is better. Other then that i haven't seen any improvement that i would benefit from. Its a real resource hog also.
XP aint much better if you have AV installed :P
Anyways, I have noticed that Windows 7 works better on most computers that sucks with Windows Vista.
And the only proper way to not get a memory hogging computer is building one yourself
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ChiefRocka
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Posted - 2011/05/06 : 17:17:02
* You don't have to, but I would recommend AMD over Intel. A lot more bang for the buck, and the quality isn't any lower. You could get one of their six-cores for the price of that quad-core you're looking at.
* If you have some spare cash, you could get a 10k RPM drive and use it solely for audio stuff (lots of audio files in a project + VST samplers = disk access hell).
* Do you really need a CD/DVD drive that supports Blu-Ray?
* I didn't see a standalone RAID card. Keep in mind that the RAID options motherboards offer are only software RAIDs; they're slightly slower and tap into the main processor's power.
Windows 7 actually performs better than Vista almost universally, and while it may not be on par with XP, it comes somewhat close.
Remember too that XP was released in 2001, and 7 in 2010. Try installing XP on a computer from 1992, you'll find that you'll be spending a lot of time just waiting. :P Technology evolves fast. Heck, PCI express didn't even come around until 2004-ish (although it certainly doesn't feel like it to me)!
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Audio Warfare
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Posted - 2011/05/06 : 17:21:13
:D That's certainly one way to keep your components cool.
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whispering
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Posted - 2011/05/06 : 17:22:18
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XP aint much better if you have AV installed :P
AV as in antivirus? I use F-Secure it takes about 40-80MB memory, processor it doesn't really use at all for me to notice it. Id suspect it to be the same with 7.
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Originally posted by Audio Warfare:
DX11? Plus a lot of new stuff just doesn't have XP drivers now. Guess that isn't an issue if you aren't buying much new stuff though. :P The all new IE! Not that you would want to use it anyway I suspect lol.
The latest autocad only supports single core processors. And vector graphics dont really even need much memory either. Other then that i mainly use older software, as i dont play much anymore (thanks to EA for ruining the C&C series).
In short (and ive heard many say the same), OS features are irrelevant. The main thing is the programs, when that doesnt work as iit could, then its time to upgrade. I mainly use the OS to manage stuff and launch programs, thats it.
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ChiefRocka
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Posted - 2011/05/06 : 17:28:24
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:D That's certainly one way to keep your components cool.
Something like that could actually make the components hotter, depending on the situation; it either breaks the airflow schema or gets rid of it completely.
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Posted - 2011/05/06 : 17:33:54
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Something like that could actually make the components hotter, depending on the situation; it either breaks the airflow schema or gets rid of it completely.
So laws of physics don't apply to computer cases?
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Audio Warfare
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Posted - 2011/05/10 : 20:57:40
Order placed. :D I've gone with an overclocked i5 instead of the i7. New setup:-
Case
PCS MAELSTROM T900 BLACK GAMING CASE
Overclocked CPU
Overclocked Intel Corei5-2500k Quad Core (3.30GHz @ max 4.60GHz)
Motherboard
ASUS P8P67 (NEW REV 3.0): USB 3.0, SATA 6.0GB/s, CrossFireX
Memory (RAM)
8GB KINGSTON HYPER-X GENESIS DUAL-DDR3 1600MHz, X.M.P (2 x 4GB KIT)
Graphics Card
1GB AMD RADEON HD6870 - 2 DVI,HDMI,2 mDP - DX 11, Eyefinity 4 Capable
Memory - 1st Hard Disk
640GB WD CAVIAR BLACK WD6402AAEX, SATA 6 Gb/s, 64MB CACHE (7200rpm)
2nd Hard Disk
640GB WD CAVIAR BLACK WD6402AAEX, SATA 6 Gb/s, 64MB CACHE (7200rpm)
RAID
RAID 1 (MIRRORED VOLUME - 2 x same size & model HDD / SSD)
1st DVD/BLU-RAY Drive
24x DUAL LAYER DVD WRITER R/RW/RAM
Memory Card Reader
INTERNAL 52 IN 1 CARD READER (XD, MS, CF, SD, etc) + 1 x USB 2.0 PORT
Power Supply
CORSAIR 650W TX SERIES (TX650) 80+ ULTRA QUIET PSU
Processor Cooling
COOLIT ECO A.L.C (ADVANCED LIQUID COOLER)
Thermal Paste
ARCTIC COOLING MX-3 HIGH THERMAL CONDUCTIVITY COMPOUND
Operating System
Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium 64 Bit - inc DVD & Licence
FREE Total War Shogun 2 with any AMD Radeon Graphics card!
The wait will be agony. :P
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ChiefRocka
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Posted - 2011/05/10 : 23:42:27
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Originally posted by ChiefRocka:
Something like that could actually make the components hotter, depending on the situation; it either breaks the airflow schema or gets rid of it completely.
So laws of physics don't apply to computer cases?
My comment was referring to a situation where there is no case at all, with the only fans being the processor fan and maybe the graphics card fan. Yes, you have airflow, but it's not optimal. With a case and its own fans the airflow can be controlled, e.g. cool air that enters at the front bottom of the system, which then blows through the motherboard area and then goes out the top and rear as warm air (that's really simplified, but you get the point).
A well-designed case can lower the internal temperature by multiple degrees. If you're thinking of poorly-designed cases that trap heat and make everything hotter (or just do squat in terms of additional cooling), unfortunately you're right.
Sorry, I'm not good at explaining things. Now that I've seen that post again, everything after that semicolon sounds odd.
If it's something else about my post that you thought was off, point it out to me please.
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Posted - 2011/05/10 : 23:57:29
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:( poor thing
still tryin to figure out whats more destroyed; your computer or my internal organs. :x
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Posted - 2011/05/11 : 08:37:02
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* You don't have to, but I would recommend AMD over Intel. A lot more bang for the buck, and the quality isn't any lower. You could get one of their six-cores for the price of that quad-core you're looking at.
This is the only point i wanted to debate from your otherwise completely helpful post.
I've found the low-mid range AMD cpu's are shit compared to Intel. And i'm not just talking about speed and performance. I've had 3 AMD cpus completely ****ing break (two low range, one mid range) and since i've moved religiously to intel, i've never had a cpu die. Maybe that's just my experience? But i'd never go back to AMD unless it was in the top end of the spectrum.
Gaz keep in mind, and overclocked CPU will lower it's life. Even the 'safe' overclocking that they release (turbo boost etc) will lower the lifespan of the cpu. I'm just saying.
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Posted - 2011/05/11 : 09:00:10
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This is the only point i wanted to debate from your otherwise completely helpful post.
I've found the low-mid range AMD cpu's are shit compared to Intel. And i'm not just talking about speed and performance. I've had 3 AMD cpus completely ****ing break (two low range, one mid range) and since i've moved religiously to intel, i've never had a cpu die. Maybe that's just my experience? But i'd never go back to AMD unless it was in the top end of the spectrum.
Gaz keep in mind, and overclocked CPU will lower it's life. Even the 'safe' overclocking that they release (turbo boost etc) will lower the lifespan of the cpu. I'm just saying.
I've always used Intel and never had a CPU go.
Yes I've done a bit of reading up on it. The voltage and heat will effect the life of it. The voltage will not be set to a "dangerous" level, the chip will be water cooled and the case has good cooling so the difference should be minimal if I keep it all in check.
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