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DJ CURLY
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 Posted - 2002/03/08 : 09:48:21
i mean you can only become comercial when u have loads of fans so when u say u dont want comercialisation for happyhardcore u are saying u dont want many people to be fans of it. if happyhardcore had millions of fans theres no way it could remain underground could it.
your views on comercialisation please?
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Lixx
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 Posted - 2002/03/08 : 11:13:18
The bad thing about commercialization is that there quite possibly could be an influx of bad producers making really terrible pop-y music that is directed towards the mainstream not those of us who have already discovered hardcore and know better. This would be damaging to the credibility of our scene and would produce a whole range of new clueless hardcore newbies that just wanna to hear their latest pop song ripped into a frantic hardcore song. It would be nice if hardcore got more recognition so that the true artists in this genre had an easier time of making a living and so we could get more quality releases on a regular basis, but lets not sell our souls to the devil just yet. Hardcore will get there, it's inevitable, just give it time for the old stigmas of the genre to wear off and for people to realize how much hardcore kicks right now.
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Annex
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Posted - 2002/03/08 : 13:25:26
LOL
the only issue i have there
is... in a world where hardcore IS mainstream...
and i need to change my pants due to a certain amount of err less than PG excitement...
would the fun of it not then wear off a bit?
i think a large attraction for MANY a person is that.. their listning to something that ISN'T mainstream, it's NOT that wide spread among most folk...
which is not to say i want it's expansion to be hindered its just interesting to think about....... long live the hardcore baby!!
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Midway_raver
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 Posted - 2002/03/08 : 13:59:14
Correct me if im wrong but aint hardcore ( well ravE) been commercial once? I think alot of da bad repitation its gfot has come from dat along time ago hardcore is betta underground with peopel who truely live4 hardcore lsitenin 2 it:)..Ok i wish 2 dat producers had an easier ride but sumtimes da NEED 4 a song to be excellent in a genre is good coz it means altho there aint so many releases all da tunes dta cum out r gud:)For example Will young "pop idol" he is SHIT, but coz hes been exposed hre gets fanmous, Hardcore is recognised as gr8 by a lot of people coz of its actual BRILLIANCE..not its exposer lets keep it like dat :)
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Simon
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Posted - 2002/03/08 : 23:39:22
Hardcore was never really commercial it just had a bad time for a while but I think it will never become commercial anyway.
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DJ-SK8
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Posted - 2002/03/09 : 09:46:00
Ok it's bad for any part of the rave scene to go comercial, caus it's not supose to and thats what made it uniq, Caus it was never about making mony and becoming famious even thoe there are hundreds of hhc fans all over the world. Comershalism has no back ground to the music (unles you count how the band was made), were as hhc has a hole history with back stabings, rising and falling record labels ect. If it went comershal then everyone would forget about all of that, and it's already happend slitly becaus of twinkies, who listen to H2BH and think that it's top qulity hhc, and it just bug's me how some one can be so ignorant about there favorite music.
so all in all comershalization is bad, in any part of the rave scene.
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Annex
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Posted - 2002/03/09 : 11:51:37
*whipes a tear*
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kg4
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Posted - 2002/03/09 : 17:42:23
I could really care less if hardcore went commercial, the only thing I would care about, is if it started to become REALLY bad...
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Dj Tripnosis
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Posted - 2002/03/09 : 19:13:05
booo to comercialisation, definatly boo. Hadcore was ment for the Underground and should stay that way, ?It should be left for people to find and learn about it rather than it to be introduced through media and such. definatly boo
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Nick of Blaze!
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Posted - 2002/03/10 : 00:39:31
Even if it went commercial... would that stop everyone here listening to it?
And yeah, there would be a serious influx of new producers and stuff cashing in on the trend, but then those artists that are "hardcore to the core", would be producing the REAL hardcore, the stuff we all like.
Yeah there'd be some crap copycats, but unless they're really into the scene, they couldn't produce/write/remix GOOD hardcore.
I reckon it would be a case of filtering out the crap and the people that really adore core would just stick with the artists that represent the scene as it is today.
I think the REAL issue, is our good hardcore name, being associated with this rubbish. That's the problem, cos everyone who doesn't know the scene would hear a crap tune and drag the whole genre down with it. I know this is a topic that's been done to death so I wont start a whole thread, but here's a very important question:
If you had to name ONE tune, ONE single track, that you could proudly play to the whole world and say "THIS is hardcore...this is THE track that we in the scene would like to represent our genre and like you all to hear, and when you think of hardcore, you think of this ONE track......"
Which track would that be??
I'm not necessarily saying an anthem, or some deep underground dub plate that no one's heard of, I'm saying a track that someone would hear who's not in the scene and say, "Yeah, well I can see the validity of that track. I can appreciate it as a choon. Not my cup of tea maybe, but that's cool".
To be honest, hardcore is already quite commercialised. OK, it doesn't hit the charts, but you hear a lot of hardcore here in the UK on TV, as soundtracks etc. But the general public, if you asked them wouldn't know a single hardcore track of today.
So as long as real hardcore fans sort the imposters from the real artists in the scene, then I can't see a problem.
I'll still be writing tracks for hardcore for as long as everyone here in the scene likes them.
There's my 2c
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Nick.
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Annex
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Posted - 2002/03/10 : 01:15:01
cripes, you gotsta charge more dude, i'da paid well over 5c for that ;)
fantastic post
and in all honesty, off the top of my head, i'm really not sure what i'd say would be my one track of choice
i've had a few favorites over time, but it's always shifting *shrugs*
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though i'm sure it'd be something good n cheesy.. hehe
like my pizza with extra sauce.. like my happycore with extra cheese ;)
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Simon
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Posted - 2002/03/10 : 06:03:50
Nick what can I say I know a lot of people who have never heard hardcore but they've all heard of your tune "Shooting Star" and then they try telling me that its not HArdcore!!!!!!! I think Shooting Star is the hardcore song that so many people have heard out of all hardcore songs.
By the way Nick if I had to play One hardcore song to be proud of playing it would probebly be "Shooting Star" coz after one listen they'd love it!!!!
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Don Giovanni
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Posted - 2002/03/10 : 09:58:06
Whenever someone I know gets curious about hardcore the first tracks I play for them are Eyopener, Shooting Star, and Break of Dawn. People seem to get a pretty good idea of the genre from that and usually want to hear more after.
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DJ Mouse
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Posted - 2002/03/10 : 13:16:16
i'd say bass d and king matthew - like a dream
it's my fav tune and everyone else i know likes it
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Oli G
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Posted - 2002/03/10 : 14:38:54
Comercalisation is bad
because look at garage now (in the uk)
its ****ing wank.. its dire.. and i bet the underground garage producers and Dj's although there cashing in.. ****ing hate everyone who will take the piss out of them.. because the so solid shiteheads are mincin around like big girly puffs on top of the pops
will be like that
ppl will say... "what you play.... hardcore?... ahh not that comercial shit? couldnt u play something underground"
you will tell em... ive been into hardcore since i can remember.. been thru it through all sorts of shit... and they will just reply bollocks
i will hate it if it does
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Nick of Blaze!
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Posted - 2002/03/10 : 22:49:56
Cheers guys, it's great that you'd play some of my tracks to show someone hardcore.
Its a good point you raise OliGhalebi. I think that the difference with hardcore, is that it's not a genre driven by image.
The garage puffs (I like that), have to uphold this image, be it "bad boy" so solid crew, or "pretty boy next door" Craig David. (That's why I believe he hasnt won many major awards, he doesn't fit the image).
Hardcore artists will only succeed in the commercial arena if they have an image. Its a media world, and you have to be different. So, consequently, the only thing that will get hardcore in the public eye, is if the track is really really good. There are no hardcore artists/producers/DJ's that have a really strong image. (I'm talking eyecatching, wacky hats here)
The papers like to hear about drunken brawls, or womanising, but in our scene, it's the music that counts, not the hype. If I say my next tune is great, and it's sh*te, it won't be popular. You wont buy it because I'm a bit of a lad in the papers. You'll buy it cos you like it.
That's why our scene will always survive. It's music driven, not hype or image driven. Our artists are respected and survive because they create great music.
When we did Sesame's Treet, those media people were soooooo disappointed. We were...."ordinary". We made music, had a beer, went home. When me and Luna C get together for a chat, we talk about music, he plays me stuff, we put our heads together, talk about music music music. We never talk about clothes, cars, women, and we rarely talk about new music kit.
We still do that today. Our talents are what they should be in music....creating great music,..... not the ability to swear at a camera and kick a journo to death in order to lift our profile and sell more records...
Now, where's that "Shamen" top hat and curly toed slippers for Top Of The Pops next week... BOB THE BUILDER ....we need some more hardcore for this job...BOB THE BUILDER ....!!!!!
tata
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