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Nick of Blaze!
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 Posted - 2002/03/25 : 05:31:19
What a great debate, and praise indeed to everyone for raising some serious points on what is for some HH people a serious issue. ***applauds***
I do hear the people that have raised the point about hardcore being adapted to suit a current trend. This is a really good point, because it does explain a few things. I personally have never hought of this but when we did Sesame's treet, we created it with the current scene in mind. We put in stabs, a middle 8 part, brakbeats etc etc. However, the copycat people that followed with various tunes had no idea of the scene itself so cobbled together commercial tracks that they then released as hardcore, which of course it wasn't.
Even with our follow up single "Loo's Control" we stuck with the hardcore scene format. We could have made that much more commercially appealing, but to be honest, we were still on the scene, so even though it was a commercial release, it was still hardcore.
Consequently, I suppose if the phosphor remix of Til The Day went into the UK charts, then that would be cool, and lets face it, if it's that good, and gonna be a success then it cant be helped. However if Blaze! remixed a hardcore/commercialised remix that suited popular radio stations then that could be a case of like has already been said "adapting hardcore to suit a commercial audience". That wouldn't be good I suppose.
However, particularly with all my tracks like Break of Dawn, Shooting Star, Til The day etc etc, they are songs in their own right, so as with the forthcoming release of "Shooting Star" by Flip & Fill in a new genre, they will travel across easier, because they are songs and can be adapted in almost any style. But, as long as they go out under a different act name and not a hardcore act name then that shouldn't be a problem.
What about the reverse, a pop song being turned into a hardcore song? Such as "Jump" for instance, that in my view was agreat track!
Anyhoo...great debate... good points.
Cheers
Nick.
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DJ Bunnyboi
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Posted - 2002/03/25 : 05:40:29
As long as I can continue to enjoy the tracks that are being produced, and I can still dance all night long, and I still know what DJ is up on the decks- I could care less about commercialization. If I could not do these things because of commercialization, then I would be pissed.
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Hixxy_is_my_god2k2
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Posted - 2002/04/13 : 13:16:38
y dont when you make a release put a hardcore mix of it and a commercial type mix of it, like maybe a slwer dance mix of it, thats if it sounds rite????
i thought that was one of my best ideas ive eva had :P
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Nick of Blaze!
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Posted - 2002/04/14 : 01:15:41
I swear to god, if I wasn't so paranoid about being caned for putting anything on a hardcore release except hardcore, then you'd have the "unplugged" "Shooting Star" or "Til The Day" versions to hear.
Even our internal demo files on ourproduction company website have come in for some slating, and they're just demo's !!!
When Chris (also of Blaze!) and Jo do these tracks live, it send a shiver up me spine I swear to god. Just her fantastic voice and a piano or guitar, it's truly brilliant.
I'm hoping to do it when we play live, and just take the flack, because I know to a small minority of people, they'd enjoy it immensely.
However, this is that "frightened to experiment" point I just made in another post about old skool. As producers, you can't risk the flack of putting something like this on a record. The whole record could completely bomb, and get slated, so it aint worth the risk.
Maybe we'll do it as a demo on the site, see what the response is like. It is great to play that to someone and they go, "what a lovely song" then back to back it with the HH vesrion and crank it up... delight in watching thier ears bleed!
Cheers guys, feedback would be good.
Nick
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DJ CURLY
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Posted - 2002/04/14 : 06:08:00
yeah start with a demo on your site thats probably the safest way.
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Hixxy_is_my_god2k2
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Posted - 2002/04/14 : 09:36:59
so are u seyin my idea was
really good/good/alrite/not so good/ crap???
:-P
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Nick of Blaze!
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Posted - 2002/04/14 : 23:18:45
Its a great idea mate, but I don't reckon it would go down too well on a hardcore CD.
Personally, I like to have a CD with four or five completely different mixes on so that I hear different takes of the same song. It's good to see if a song travels across different genres.
Unfortunately, I reckon a CD with the hardcore mixes on followed by a H*rd H**se mix, an Ep*c Tr*nce mix, a E*ro p*p mix, then finally an unplugged vocal/piano mix wouldnt go down too well. But from my point of view (because I've heard some demo's for these mixes) the actual CD would be phenominal, but that's not how it works unfortunately.
Technically speaking, an act (like Blaze!, Nimrod, Bang! etc etc) must have a "sound", and once that's established, then you shouldn't divert too far, otherwise that act doesn't belong inside a genre of fans. It's now trying to spread across too many genres, and that confuses people....
However... my idea was to have the CD of the actual song itself, then have four or five different acts representing the song, each in their own genre. That way, if you like the melody/lyric, you can hear all the different takes on the song.
I'll probably put the unplugged TTD on the website to see if it works, and if people like the MP3, I'll see if we can squeeeeeeeeeze it on the CD.
Cheers bud!
Nick.
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Simon
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Posted - 2002/04/15 : 00:26:31
Yeah the act has to stay with what it does. I can't think of any cd though that has loads of different kinds of music on. If it was made it might be a first!!!
I think the best you can get is a cd with different mixes of the same genre of music like there is more than one style of Happy Hardcore.
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Hixxy_is_my_god2k2
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Posted - 2002/04/17 : 10:35:05
yer u cud like join up wit a big dance record label like Positiva or Nulife or nukleuz etc and produce a dance, and do the same for other genres, u cud even make hear say's careers go up! lol
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Annex
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Posted - 2002/04/18 : 00:13:17
I like the multi-genre cd idea :))
i'm eager to hear that demo nick :)
and... *looks at yer post*... based on that idea...
i'd like to encourage you to be Bang, Blaze!, Nimrod, Dormin, !Ezalb, Gnab, Snap, Boom, Zing and any other sound from an old batman show
if it means innovative, quality cd/vinyl is gonna come of it ;)
ps... you rule! lol
sorry.. couldn't help it
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Midway_raver
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 Posted - 2002/04/18 : 14:48:45
i think it wud sell amazingly becoz say radio one wud cane the hard house version of til the day then ur underground stationz wud cane the hardcore versions, Kiss FM etc wud cane a grage version n evry wud go out looking for the cd wiv there respected style on it i.e garage heads going to buy it for that hardcore heads going to buy it for that etc etc etc.....but ur definetly rite nick when u say u shud stik to ur respective sounds becoz a: people respect u in the hardcore scene and no its quality assured b: if u get sum1 from Nuklues to remix teh hard house version its gonna be respected for the artist and ( no offense but sum1 in that scene more wud probably make a betta job) and same wiv the other versions...thats not ment to b offensive its just a way 2 get a cd wiv all around gud trax in each genre.
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Nick of Blaze!
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Posted - 2002/04/18 : 23:28:02
It's weird, but when we place material as producers/artists we send out CD samplers to various record companies/publishing houses etc and because they all do different music, we probably have several different mix styles for one song.
This is essential, because you may get record company "a" that do trance, and they would obviously only be interested in the trance mix, and "b" that do garage, so they would weant the garage mix.
That way you maximise your potential.
Even different mixes may have different act names to suit that genre. Otherwise we'd have to do several different sets of artwork etc and that's not practical.
So, this way of working is pertfectly acceptable inside the industry. A lot of people do it. However, to release a single like that could be risky, because you're not clear on who it's aimed at. The garage headz, wouldn't buy a CD with a HH mix on it probably because it "aint cool". Although carrying a gun around and getting 18 months is (duh!).
But, we might do a website page one day to see what you gfuys reckon of maybe a few different mixes of one tune, out of pure interest more than intent to release.
Cheers
Nick.
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DJ CURLY
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Posted - 2002/04/19 : 07:44:35
carrying a gun about how pathetic thats whats his name from so solid crew innit have u heard all them saying they come from the ghetto oooooooooohhh scary when we know for a fact that ther all from west london
thats about as ghetto as my arse.
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Hixxy_is_my_god2k2
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Posted - 2002/04/20 : 01:30:33
you spelt guys wrong, its guys not gfuys!
:P
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deejay_rogue
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Posted - 2002/04/24 : 09:04:08
commercialisation brings shit tunes! and dj will tell u this!!!
take dance for example, not respected dj plays the commercial tunes coz they are bunk, nah, they play the b side remixs and the better versions,
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