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DJ CURLY
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 Posted - 2002/03/11 : 08:55:42
f**** me ive got nick of blaze replying to my topics and im only a beginner how good is that
luv your tunes mate in fact ive already order "til the day" from imo records
i was suprised its already out and only 4.99
now thats a deal 
HARDCORE MUSIC COMING ON STRONG
HARDCORE MUSIC ALL NIGHT LONG!!
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Annex
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Posted - 2002/03/11 : 09:47:27
Nick is the man, great post, and that's very true
i mean, imagine a music video for a hardcore song? how much of it is actually going to be OF the DJ... i mean... live it's fun to watch, and it COULD be done... but my guess is that a video would end up animated, or... showing some kinda story happening to the music... you don't have the image of a band, wearing certain clothes, or looking a certain way :)
that's one of the things i loved when i first came onto the scene, i realized most of the dj's i saw, looked just like any random person on the street (most! there are some flamboyant exceptions)
it's all about the music :))))
my only hope is happy hardcore (specifically heh, ok it's my true love) doesn't somehow GROW an image.... cuz if it ends up the candy kid, i'll be disapointed... EVERYONE should be able to enjoy it :)
and no one should feel that they shouldn't, because they don't have bracelets up to their elbows, and soothers, and things :)
hehe that is all
Potatoe
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strychnine
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Posted - 2002/03/11 : 11:43:12
Annex: I agree. One of the great things about my local scene is that the hardcore fans average around 18-21, as witnessed by the awesome turnout we get to O18 parties (like Once Upon A Time two weeks ago) and hardcore clubnights. Candyravers are a distinct minority even at massives. (Come to think of it though, in small numbers they aren't all that annoying and they do wonderful things to the vibe.)
I would hate to lose that. I would hate for hardcore to go all mainstream and start pumping out mass-produced low-quality cheese [shudders at the memory of the mid-late 90's]. I would hate if hardcore's image went all 'candy' and all our parties became infested with brightly-coloured pixies squealing like so many constipated piglets, hugging everything in sight and PLURring everyone senseless.
In short, I would hate to be ashamed of hardcore, and I don't see any way that hardcore could commecialise itself without disenchanting people like me, people who don't have to spend two hours before every rave covering themselves with glitter, people who don't wear butterfly wings or pom-pom feelers or their own bodyweight in candy, because they don't need visual aids to show that they love hardcore.
*gets off his soapbox as the brass band erupts into a rousing rendition of 'Elysium'*
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Annex
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Posted - 2002/03/11 : 18:57:47
*whistles*
actually on a side note, i have a tendency to paint my nailz, and glitter muhself up a bit ;)
i'm happy to hear ya agree, and yer take on it, is precisely what i'm talking about :))
w00t elysium *purrs* hehe
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DJ CURLY
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Posted - 2002/03/12 : 09:00:22
as far as im concerned happyhardcore is comercial as all the lads and some girls at my college class like hhc admittedly i brainwashed a few but ya need some girls to go to raves with ya else you look well sad! ne1 heard any of raverbaby's new tunes ive heard alternative and its quite good for a song with male vocal which i hate in hhc womens vocals sound better with our kind of music 4 some reason?
HARDCORE MUSIC COMING ON STRONG
HARDCORE MUSIC ALL NIGHT LONG!!
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PUREFM
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Posted - 2002/03/12 : 12:09:13
Jus' Because kids At Your Skool Are Listenin To Hardcore Dont Mean It Is Commercial.. And You Havent Brainwashed Them.. These Are People Who Are Easily Lead, And Dont Really Appreciate The Music, They Jus' Want To Look Good Infront Of Everyone.
Im Sure I Sed' This In Another Post Tho.. LOL!
As For Commercialism, It Has Been A Hot Debate For Ages Now..
I Can remember When Dream Magazine Was Out Here In The Uk, In The Mid 90's.. There Was A Full Issue Devoted To Hardcore Dj's Oppinions About The Scene Goin Commercial And Making Mainstream Success..
At The Time It Was Dj's Such As Force And Styles And Triple J Who Were Tipped To Break The Charts.. It Never Happened Though, Why.. Because For Hardcore To Make It Commercially The Scene Would Have To Change Its Image A Hell Of A Lot.. Which Non Of Us Want.. If People Like Hardcore, They Should Like It For What It Is.. Not Because There Friend, Nieghbour, Cat, Dog Hamster Etc.. Like It..
And Lets Not Forget Hardcore Has Seen Commercial Success Already..
Slipmatt And Lime Have Been In The Charts With Ragga Tip, nd So Has Dj Seduction..
Going Back To The Scene Having To Change To Fit Into The Charts.. I Have To Say, It Isnt Always The Case.. But 9 Times Out Of 10 It Is True,
Look At That Shoddy Remix Of Heart Of Gold That Came Out A Few Years Ago.. Ok.. It Wasnt Gr8.. But, Why Water The Thing Down.. They Should Have Released The Original Version..
Anyhow.. I Could Go On Forever..
Blah Blah Blah...
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Annex
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Posted - 2002/03/12 : 18:27:23
that sir, is a quality post!
*applauds pureFM*
it's all about being true to the hardcore
it's not terribly difficult to understand :)
and indeed, becoming relatively trendy, or well liked by bafoons does not equate to commercialization... though commercialization will mean more bafoons listening to the music...... oh it's a scary thing to think about
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PUREFM
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Posted - 2002/03/12 : 22:56:55
=o)
Cheers Annex..
Atlast Someone is On The Same Wavelenght As Me !!
=o)
Badboy,
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ket
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Posted - 2002/03/13 : 23:50:48
I only read the first article so please forgive me if someone else has already has said this... Commercialisation isn't when you have lots of fans, it's when you start doing it solely to make easy money. If we could make it sell well and keep out the people who would become HHC DJ's just to make a quick buck then I would say go for it but that isn't going to happen, so maybe it is just better to leave it as it is, an underground art form with loads of admirers :)
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DJ Mouse
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Posted - 2002/03/14 : 01:21:21
that's what i always say,if you have to adapt a style of music so it sells then it's commercial.
i don't know if hardcore as it is would sell in the high street or not,but whether it does or doesn't,i don't care,i like what i hear at the moment,what it's been like in the past and hopefully the future.
but what i don't want to hear is hardcore adapted so it sells in the charts,it won't be the same and it'll turn cheesy. so keep it as it is,how we all like it,underground and happy :)
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Lusive
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Posted - 2002/03/14 : 02:17:28
I think Nick brought up a really good point before when he asked which track you'd play to the world to show them what hardcore was about.
There really isnt one track that defines hardcore entirely just by itself.. I dont know about anyone else but i think that hardcore is the only style of music (well possibly drum and bass but considering they both came from the same stuff...) where you can listen to a track from 1993 and a track from 2000 and although they vary in almost every way you still get that same awesome feeling.
I find listening to old hard house tracks about as fun as listening to fingernails on a chalkboard, its somewhere between embarrased and nauseous (yes, i went thru a hard house stage.. didnt we all?). Point being is that that was the bandwagon at that point in time and it changed, so the music did too.. er.. have i proved a point yet.. er.. s**t losing focus here
If i may just quote Luna C here for a moment:
"The sheer euphoria of the crowd made me feel that you couldn't find a better place on earth. That feeling is what I try to capture in all my tracks" -from kniteforce.co.uk
I believe thats what hardcore has been all about, the feeling and the fun factor.
As far as commercialism... its not a good thing if we start jumping on the newest ever changing fad (and start wearing obscure clothing and making music videos.. ever seent he dune ones.. bahah) i will always love hardcore. it will never be a phase for me and if it ever does commercialise then i'll make sure i remember the REAL (happy) hardcore ;)
ps. I got to meet luna c recently when he was in brisbane, he is a great guy and we should be honoured to have people like him still backing the scene
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Underloop
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Posted - 2002/03/14 : 05:17:06
Hmm, well everything I was gonna say on the commercialisation side of things has already been said....yeah, it would change the scene, as has happened with UK Garage....not necessarily a good thing, but the good tunes will still continue to come out, they'll just have to be weeded out from the crappy ones.
As for the tune I would play out to represent the hardcore...well, I was well into my HHC back in the day, but (for reasons best known to myself) I left the scene round about 95.....during that time, two tunes filtered thru to me from the hardcore scene.....both of the Nick's...Shooting Star and Scott Brown's mix of Break of Dawn...these tunes made me realise just what I was missing out on, and that started to revive my interest in HHC, so the tune I would play out would have to be one of those 2.
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Hixxy_is_my_god2k2
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Posted - 2002/03/14 : 11:10:40
Well Dont all go shouting at me if i have got this wrong, but i thought hardhouse came back in a while ago. Coz the Euphoria cd makers have released 2 hardhouse mixs in like he past 2 years, and they were both buzzing!Apart from the odd shite track!
If HHC was to commercialise tho, wudnt it be only the shity "Manufactured Hardcore Songs/Bands woteva u wanna call em that wud wear all the hats, n chains dwn to the floor?
Of course you are going to get ppl who like the shite "manufactured" hardcore, but the majority would like the proper stuff! If they didnt then they could jus go back to there ooooooh so exceedingly good Garage!! :P
No matter what happens Blaze and nimrod wont go following the trend of the "manufactured" (i like that word :P) Hardcore wud they? and i would always buy the orginal hardcore makers tunage!
If Bonkers is going to be released onto the shelves (nobodies replied to my post on that :( so im not sure if it is?????) then if that dus well, then you could try it cudnt you???
As for the tracks that i wud play to people, they wud have to be
For showing them bout:
HHC -i wud play eitha Shooting star or children of the night
MC's-i wud play Bass generators-let me see you dance!(if thats the rite name)
If it dont work out then ull probably end up wit more fans then u had b4 bcoz more ppl will of recognized the scene, near enuf everyone in ma year at skool dint know about it until i got sum of them to cum wit me to this under 18's nite at tall trees where they play stuff like Forever young and children of the night and shooting star etc.
Theres my post for the night,
Cheers!
(*)At first i prayed to god,
And then i realised that i was talking to myself!(*)
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djmarinecorpse
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Posted - 2002/03/24 : 11:51:44
If HHC went commercial, I have no frickin idea WHAT I'd do... Probably beat my head on a sharp corner of a wall or jump in a swimming pool holding some bricks. ;)
Yes, if it went commercial, I'd be extremely pissed/sad/lost/lonely/pissed/mad/unhappy/pissed, etc. LOL.
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M.C Menace
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 Posted - 2002/03/24 : 12:13:09
Commertialisim is stuff like boy bands. Good looking guys and girls who are tought to sing a bit and perform on stage for young girls and boys. Hardcore is nothing like that. Its about ppl with talent doing wot they love.
M.C Menace - were raving from 7 till 11 were ravin in a hardcore heaven
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