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Smoogie
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 Posted - 2019/02/25 : 13:31:41
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Hard House you say? Is that scene still alive?
Well there is a 'Keeping Hard House alive' Facebook page that is very busy so yes it is still there!
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95_was_the_time
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Posted - 2019/02/25 : 14:15:16
this new hardhouse then, does it actually sound like the old hard house or is it blended with the awful plastic'y EDM sound?
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Smoogie
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Posted - 2019/02/25 : 14:36:57
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Originally posted by 95_was_the_time:
this new hardhouse then, does it actually sound like the old hard house or is it blended with the awful plastic'y EDM sound?
No Hard House artist would ever reduce themselves to using any of that EDM garbage. A lot of it is based on the older sound and I have been mixing a lot of it...
Edit I will send you a PM so I don't get into trouble
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GrahamC
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Posted - 2019/02/25 : 15:30:45
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Originally posted by Owen P:
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Originally posted by SparkzMusic:
"Your mind boggles, because you don't want to face reality. You're not as successful as them because you don't bring as much value as them. It really is as simple as that. You can up your game, accept your position, or pursue something you're better at. But don't fire shots at people who legitimately earned their success. "
It's too hilarious. Honestly you've missed a lot of points there.
If Vibes is so great then why steal someone else's work in full and pass it off as their own? I find it f\/cking bewildering how someone can do this and stand there saying "yep, I made it" knowing full well they nabbed it off a German release vinyl that at the time not many people would have been aware of.
I haven't missed any points, Steve Smeeth is the one who did the Techno Wonderland rip. https://www.discogs.com/artist/789843-Steve-Smeeth
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To people at the time, Vibes had just created a masterpiece that everyone loved and no doubt a lot of artists wanted to work with him. As that's how it works right? Someone makes a "hit", and other artists want to collab with them?
You're confused. Vibes had loads of big tunes and remixes out before Techno Wonderland. Who are all these artists who've supposedly collaborated him on the strength of Techno Wonderland? Name one. It certainly isn't me, I think Techno Wonderland is a load of pap.
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Through collaboration comes learning new techniques and production. If you get in with the right crowd, the possibilities are endless. Still doesn't change the fact someone robbed/cheated their way to it. It isn't "legitimately" earning success, it's stealing.
He was successful long before Techno Wonderland, which is by Steve Smeeth. Try again.
Glad you've found success in your musical endeavours, though perhaps not enough success to keep you from feeling the need to talk baseless shit about those who've enjoyed far more of it than you have.
Its on United Dance 5 as being by Ravers Choice (that's Vibes?)
https://www.discogs.com/Various-United-Dance-Vol-5/master/111449
It's on Bonkers 6 as DJ Vibes - Techno Wonderland (Stompy Remix)
https://www.discogs.com/Dougal-Sy-Vibes-Bonkers-6-Wheel-Crazy/release/41465
I do a search on Vibes, up pops Techno Wonderland (Acetate, 10")
https://www.discogs.com/artist/17388-DJ-Vibes
So you can see why people would think he wrote the track can't you?
I mean, Vibes would have to have submitted the tracklist for Bonkers - was he confused? Did Steve Smeeth get his record licensed and paid for it?
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Samination
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Posted - 2019/02/25 : 17:34:44
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Originally posted by Owen P:
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Originally posted by SparkzMusic:
"Your mind boggles, because you don't want to face reality. You're not as successful as them because you don't bring as much value as them. It really is as simple as that. You can up your game, accept your position, or pursue something you're better at. But don't fire shots at people who legitimately earned their success. "
It's too hilarious. Honestly you've missed a lot of points there.
If Vibes is so great then why steal someone else's work in full and pass it off as their own? I find it f\/cking bewildering how someone can do this and stand there saying "yep, I made it" knowing full well they nabbed it off a German release vinyl that at the time not many people would have been aware of.
I haven't missed any points, Steve Smeeth is the one who did the Techno Wonderland rip. https://www.discogs.com/artist/789843-Steve-Smeeth
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To people at the time, Vibes had just created a masterpiece that everyone loved and no doubt a lot of artists wanted to work with him. As that's how it works right? Someone makes a "hit", and other artists want to collab with them?
You're confused. Vibes had loads of big tunes and remixes out before Techno Wonderland. Who are all these artists who've supposedly collaborated him on the strength of Techno Wonderland? Name one. It certainly isn't me, I think Techno Wonderland is a load of pap.
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Through collaboration comes learning new techniques and production. If you get in with the right crowd, the possibilities are endless. Still doesn't change the fact someone robbed/cheated their way to it. It isn't "legitimately" earning success, it's stealing.
He was successful long before Techno Wonderland, which is by Steve Smeeth. Try again.
Glad you've found success in your musical endeavours, though perhaps not enough success to keep you from feeling the need to talk baseless shit about those who've enjoyed far more of it than you have.
The Lack of details about this "Steve Smeeth" is just telling that it's an alias
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Samination
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Posted - 2019/02/25 : 17:38:57
*stupid double post*
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Owen P
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Posted - 2019/02/25 : 20:01:28
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Originally posted by GrahamC:
Its on United Dance 5 as being by Ravers Choice (that's Vibes?)
https://www.discogs.com/Various-United-Dance-Vol-5/master/111449
It's on Bonkers 6 as DJ Vibes - Techno Wonderland (Stompy Remix)
https://www.discogs.com/Dougal-Sy-Vibes-Bonkers-6-Wheel-Crazy/release/41465
I do a search on Vibes, up pops Techno Wonderland (Acetate, 10")
https://www.discogs.com/artist/17388-DJ-Vibes
So you can see why people would think he wrote the track can't you?
Of course, but it's not accurate. To claim that Vibes built his reputation on that track is ludicrous. It's not even as big as many of his actual tracks.
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GrahamC
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Posted - 2019/02/25 : 21:09:44
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Originally posted by Owen P:
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Originally posted by GrahamC:
Its on United Dance 5 as being by Ravers Choice (that's Vibes?)
https://www.discogs.com/Various-United-Dance-Vol-5/master/111449
It's on Bonkers 6 as DJ Vibes - Techno Wonderland (Stompy Remix)
https://www.discogs.com/Dougal-Sy-Vibes-Bonkers-6-Wheel-Crazy/release/41465
I do a search on Vibes, up pops Techno Wonderland (Acetate, 10")
https://www.discogs.com/artist/17388-DJ-Vibes
So you can see why people would think he wrote the track can't you?
Of course, but it's not accurate. To claim that Vibes built his reputation on that track is ludicrous. It's not even as big as many of his actual tracks.
I'm not looking for a huge barney here but if it's not accurate, surely that'd down to Vibes - put the 'Vibes' search results to one side.
Surely Vibes submitted the track-listings to the publishers which was then passed to designers, legal for clearances etc. for Bonkers & United Dance. How did his name get against that track on at least two different comps from different labels?
Also, I'm not saying he built his reputation on that track, for me it was his mixes on Hardcore Heaven 2, Bonkers 6 and seeing him play out live & more than a handful of his tapes that formed my positive opinion.
I'm just interested in why his name appears against that record on comps when it was well within his power to make sure that didn't happen, the rest of the tracks on those 2 mixes seem to be accurately credited...
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LeVzi
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Posted - 2019/02/26 : 10:29:55
Vibes got famous for tracks like no more tears or rave is a mystery, and the one he did with dougal, feel free. That's what made him big imo.
I think Steve Smeeth is an alias, and doesn't exist, only ever did teckno wonderland, which is a ****ing awful tune.
I was never a fan of vibes either, like dougal, too cheesey
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SparkzMusic
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Posted - 2019/02/28 : 21:34:45
Look the thing I'm saying here, yes Vibes had other tracks before so called claims on "Techno Wonderland"..... I even said that previously. The massive point here is.... If someone was hugely talented why would steal a track and call it their own?
The only feasible answer is they weren't that talented to begin with and likely had someone else make the previous tracks, or do most of the work on them.
If Vibes was talented with his previous production, then it wouldn't be hard to "remix" "techno wonderland". As an artist myself, I want to put my own spin on a remix, that's where the fun is right?
If someone has the talents to do so, then good. But it was theft. Vibes claimed it as his own, simple as that. Even the "steve smeeth" alias, which I will say from seeing him live, he had claimed was his alias and he made it.
Many past labels worked with aliases like "Silk cuts" and "Ravers choice", but it was their own remix work. People like Faber and Fade and Bananaman.
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